I must apologize to you for my promise in email.

no worries, the sudden shift just appeard strange to me so I got ... well, surprised in a negative way I guess. It's fine now, I can always roll my own xmpp on top of irm.

You didn't say so before so I wasn't aware. You know I am quite busy right now myself otherwise I would step in and help.

This is a community project no?

This is where you show why your understanding of projects like iredmail and alike fails.

This is a project that has its creator and the leader.
By the nature of the project community is welcome to contribute but it is not a democracy as you wish to see it.

Open source is full of examples where people did take a turn and made a fork-out of existing project and made it customized based on their needs. Those people woud be like yourself. However you would find that in iredmail case, at the moment, this is not possible.

On the other hand, iredmail can become modular, thus providing interface for add-on services.
And this is a first step when persuing requests like for ejabber, make plug-in frame, not for one, but for all.

Of two, if you do research, top one preveils. You figure out why cause I am not telling.

you pissing me of

You are just a child, right?

I would leave up to yoo if you want to continue to insinuate the plots and to live in a horor of conspiracy against you.

Where did this "discussion" take place? I am on the mailing list as well as on #iredmail all the time. There where no discussion about this. Please don't tell me the two of you emailed back and forth and then decided for all the rest of us.

Why don't we just put up a poll, see what the community thinks about shipping ejabberd as an optional part? This is a community project no?

I must apologize to you for my promise in email.

I think it's not a good idea to create or maintain an ALL-IN-ONE project/product, at least not NOW. Publicing integration tutorials should be better than integrating them directly. Integrations take me so much time to maintain (upgrade components, testing, etc) these 3rd party components and what most of users need is an email server solution. So, as @011 suggested, keep iRedMail as a pure email solution should be better.

And, community project doesn't mean 'user requests feature X, developers must implement it', but it means you can contribute to help to implement it.

iRedMail is almost a framework to help you integrate 3rd party components with OpenLDAP, it would be great that someone can maintain these 3rd party components integration scripts, such as Ejabberd, OpenVPN, PureFTPD, Samba, etc.

After discussion, ...

Where did this "discussion" take place? I am on the mailing list as well as on #iredmail all the time. There where no discussion about this. Please don't tell me the two of you emailed back and forth and then decided for all the rest of us.

Why don't we just put up a poll, see what the community thinks about shipping ejabberd as an optional part? This is a community project no?

What does that mean for ejabber in 0.6? It will be available but optional right? You said so.

Ejabberd won't be shipped in iRedMail, even as an optional component.

As @011 suggested, i prefer to keep iRedMail as a pure email solution. And as i said in previous post, we MAY public integration tutorials later, include ejabberd, PureFTPD, OpenVPN, etc.

That means i have more time to spend on EMAIL solution, and save much time which should be spent on addition components.

And ejabberd is messenger type service, does not need anything that email service does.
Not same protocols, ports, only user backend sharing via LDAP but...
What is going to be of iredmail people that do want to stay with mysql backend?

Dude, you pissing me of, seriously. You don't want ejabber, don't choose to install it. It will be optional. Please recognize this: Many here wanted to have an XMPP service for a long time now, way before you showed up here ... so ... just let it go by all means, will you?

Had to be said, sorry :-)

@011, After discussion, we prefer to keep iRedMail as a core mail solution without any other services (IM, FTP, VPN, Samba, etc), but we MAY public integration tutorials later.

Thanks very much.

What does that mean for ejabber in 0.6? It will be available but optional right? You said so.

Thanks very much.

just like gtalk and gmail

You can not compare a company like google, and their application coexistance with a iredmail project that would try to make such setup by using projects that have nothing in common. Next thing you will compare MSN and outlook ntegration with iredmail plus ejabberd.

I mean, google and MS teams will do as their bosses to ask in a goal of "Me, Me and only Me"
In open source world, each project, even if it is just a copmilation of open source packages like this one, has its own leader. And communication between leaders of unrelated projects sometimes do not work.
And I understand that email and messaging can be part of the same system but...

How are you going to prioritize?
What is more important, that email is scanned and proccesed properly, or that messenger services do their thing first?
Which one of unrelated/undependant projects would say "OK, we will lower our resource requirements, so that your services run better."
That is why in real world, each of such services do run in its own envoroment. So if there is a problem with jabber why even have opportunity to think that posfix people are messing server up?

However, if long term idea is to turn iredmail in to a groupware project, this is the right way to do it.

And ejabberd is messenger type service, does not need anything that email service does.
Not same protocols, ports, only user backend sharing via LDAP but...
What is going to be of iredmail people that do want to stay with mysql backend?

I hope that adding non-email-related-services to the core of a project will not turn out to be another confirmation of such saying.

yes, I think the iredmail would focus on the email relate services, but in my view, the ejabberd is mail relate service.

I hope the ejabberd and iredmail. just like gtalk and gmail, can work together.

[I don't see why you seem to be concerned ...

If you are PR of iredmail, and it seems like it as you do use words like "we just" I would just sugest to change description of what iredmail really is.

There is a saying "to many cooks spoil the broth".
I hope that adding non-email-related-services to the core of a project will not turn out to be another confirmation of such saying.

Being interested in a solution that deals only with email, such services, even if disabled, due to their non-email-related requirements, do not bring any value.

Email administrators are not always interested in managing jabber type of service, nor do I think that most of them woould like to have it incorporated on a stable emailing system.

As said, these days communication happens through many channels. As I also said, XMPP will be optional. Thinking a company just wants/needs email isn't true anymore ... a company and/or individual wants to have a communication package that can deliver on email, xmpp and maybe even groupware.

I don't see why you seem to be concerned ... think of IRM as of a communication package with email at its core and optional parts like XMPP. That's what corporations and/or individuals expect these days.